Jul 19, 2013 Walther started up their own re-manufacturing of the PP line in 1985/1986. They also started a new serial number sequence, For the PP the serial numbers started at 700,001 and the the PPK at 800,001. Ron James, Feb 6, 2007 #7.
- SERIAL NUMBER 143069P. WALTHER MODEL PP IN.32 ACP CALIBER, BLACK BAKELITE GRIPS EXCELLENT, E/N PROOF. Gun #: 947180354. Seller: Guardian Arms Guardian Arms. Full Details. 9 Image(s) WTS Walther Zela Mehlis PP.22LR. This Walther Zella-Mehlis PP in.22LR is a rare pistol. The condition of this pistol is in decent condition.
- Jun 21, 2012 Hi, I have a Vintage Walther PP 7.65mm pistol that I recently bought and I'm interested in learning more about it. From what I've already been able to obtain from searching this site and looking at the serial number chart this gun should be dated around 1942.
- On Walther pistols, the serial number will generally be located on the left-hand side of the slider. If you have any trouble locating the serial number for any reason, you can bring the gun into your local gun shop for.
The Walther Model 4by Ed Buffaloe
The Walther Company was founded in 1886 by Carl Walther in the town of Zella St. Blasii, Thuringia, a traditional metalworking and weapon-making area in Central Germany. (The town was renamed Zella-Mehlis after 1919.) The company manufactured rifles and shotguns that were hand fitted, and quickly gained a reputation for superior quality that has remained associated with the Walther name to this day. Three of Carl’s five sons, Fritz, Georg, and Hans Erich, took over the family business after the death of their father in 1915.
In late 1899, the first 7.65mm Browning (.32 A.C.P.) pistol was manufactured by Fabrique Nationale of Belgium, and became known as the Model 1900. Though the Bergmann, Mannlicher, and Mauser pistols preceded it, they were primarily military pistols. The 1900 FN Browning was the first commercially successful “pocket” self-loading pistol. In 1906, FN began production of a 6.35mm Browning (.25 A.C.P.) pistol, which was the first true “vest pocket” semi-automatic pistol. These two guns gained worldwide attention, and almost everyone in the firearms industry began to design pistols for the two cartridges, hoping to cash in on the success and popularity of the Browning guns and cartridges.
By 1908, Carl and his son Fritz had produced prototypes of both a .32 and a .25 caliber pistol. According to some sources, the .32 was designated the Venus-Pistole and had its recoil spring mounted over the barrel, like the 1900 Browning. The .32 Venus-Pistole was never produced. The Walther Company began manufacturing its first .25 caliber pistol in 1910 or possibly 1911, later christened the Model 1. The Model 1 was slightly smaller and lighter than the 1906 FN Browning, but was similar in design, with the recoil spring beneath the barrel and a spring-loaded striker. However, the Walther copied the configuration of the 1900 Mannlicher, with a fixed barrel, the extractor on top of the gun, and the slide cut away in the front to reveal the barrel. Beautifully made and with excellent fitment, the Walther was an instant success, with sales of just over 30,000 by 1915.
The Model 1 was followed by the Model 2 and Model 3, which were simplified in design, used a hammer instead of a striker, and had the recoil spring around the barrel. This last feature may have been influenced by the design of the 1907 Dreyse and/or 1910 Browning. The Model 3, in .32 caliber, actually appeared first in 1913, probably because the company was still selling their existing stock of the Model 1. The Model 2, in .25 caliber, appeared in 1914. The Model 2 was approximately a quarter-inch shorter than the 1906 Browning vest pocket, and more than three ounces lighter. The Model 3 was an inch shorter than the 1910 Browning, three ounces lighter, and held one less round. The Model 3 was only about 2mm longer than the 1908 Pieper Bayard, held one more round, and was more ergonomic in design.
But World War I required a handgun more suitable for military use, and the Walther Company designed the Model 4 as quickly as possible by simply enlarging the Model 3, giving it a larger grip, longer barrel, better sights, and a greater magazine capacity. They were rewarded with an order from the Prussian government in May of 1915 for 250,000 Model 4’s. Some might wonder why a .32 caliber handgun was ordered for military use, when the primary service weapon was the much more powerful Luger 9mm P08 Parabellum pistol. Personally, I suspect that the P08 Parabellum, while powerful and accurate, was finicky about dirt and residue and, being complex to field-strip, was hard to maintain in the trench-warfare environment of World War I. The Walther, while underpowered, was reliable and easy to maintain. Once it was adopted, it rapidly gained the confidence of the soldiers who used it. By the end of World War I--thanks to its government contract--Walther was the largest pistol manufacturer in Germany.
The Model 4 is a relatively simple handgun of blowback design, with a fixed barrel, an external extractor, and a concealed hammer. Its most unusual feature is that (like its predecessor the Model 3) its extractor and ejection port are on the left. The barrel acts as a guide for the concentric recoil spring, which is held in place by a bayonette-type lug that covers the front of the barrel, and by a sleeve at the rear which also serves to cover the spring. When the slide moves rearward, it forces the trigger bar down, disconnecting it from the sear. The safety is a rotating thumb lever that positively locks the cocked hammer. Most safeties have a checkered thumb-grip circle, but a few have circular grooves. There is a screw on the backstrap of the grip that regulates the tension of the flat hammer spring. The gun is slim and elegant, well-balanced, fits the hand very nicely, and points instinctively. It is also reasonably accurate.
My Model 4 is one of the third variant, manufactured just after the war. There is absolutely no play in the fitment of the slide and receiver. The gun tends to shoot a bit high at ten yards, but is spot-on at 25 to 50 yards. The trigger pull is rather heavy and the gun has considerable recoil. Recoil causes the trigger guard to batter my trigger finger, making it sore after a couple of magazines, so I prefer to shoot the gun with a glove on. Nevertheless, the grip fits my hand perfectly and it points better than any gun except the Remington Model 51. The slide does not stay back on the last round, and there is no provision for locking it open. The gun lacks a magazine safety and may be fired without a magazine. The thumb safety is rather clumsy to disengage. Like the ever-popular Brownings, the Walther’s virtues were its simplicity, reliability, accuracy, and quality of manufacture. True sophistication would come later.
In the 15 years of its manufacture, there were four major variations of the Model 4. The dates and serial numbers given below are approximate and subject to revision, pending new information.
First Variant (Very Early World War I production.)
- Sometimes referred to as the transitional model or Model 3/4.
- Approximate serial number range: 29,000 - 34,085*
First Variant
Slide Serrations - Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “SELBSTLADE-PISTOLE CAL. 7,65. WALTHER’S-PATENT” on one line above the Walther banner.
- On the earliest pistols, the right side of the slide was blank. Later pistols had (in capitals) “CARL WALTHER WAFFENFABRIK ZELLA ST.BLASII” on one line. Some pistols were marked “Made in Germany.”
- 12 triangular cut vertical slide serrations up to serial number 34,000, after which 7 angled square-cut serrations.
- Safety lever has circular grooves.
- Partially exposed trigger-bar on left side of receiver.
- Top of slide rounded.
- No rear sight, but had a groove along the top of the slide.
- Triangular or ramped front sight.
- Release for the slide extension/front recoil spring bushing on right front of slide, similar to the Model 3.
- Front portion of frame is squared off.
- Dull blue finish (likely rust blue).
Early Second Variant (World War I production.)
- Approximate serial number range: 35,000 - 45,055*
Early Second Variant
Slide Serrations - Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “SELBSTLADE-PISTOLE CAL. 7,65. WALTHER’S-PATENT” on one line above the Walther banner.
- Right side of slide marked (in capitals) “CARL WALTHER WAFFENFABRIK ZELLA ST.BLASII” on one line, or in rare cases blank.
- 7 angled square-cut slide serrations.
- Safety lever has circular grooves.
- Partially exposed trigger-bar on left side of receiver.
- Top of slide still rounded.
- No rear sight, but had a groove along the top of the slide.
- Most front sights were hemispherical, but a few were triangular.
- Most have no disassembly release catch. A few very early guns still retain the catch.
- Guns with no disassembly release catch have front portion of frame beveled at the bottom.
Late Second Variant (Late war and post-war production, 1916?-1919?)
Walther Pp Serial Number List
- Approximate serial number range: 50,014 - 225,056*
Late Second Variant
Slide Serrations - Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “SELBSTLADE-PISTOLE CAL. 7,65 WALTHER’S-PATENT” on one line above the Walther banner. Very late guns have “WALTHER’S-PATENT CAL. 7,65” on one line above the Walther banner.
- Early right side of slide marked “Carl Walther WAFFENFABRIK Zella St.Bl”. Middle period have right side of slide marked “Carl Walther WAFFENFABRIK Zella St.Blasii”. Most guns have right side of slide marked (in capitals) “CARL WALTHER WAFFENFABRIK ZELLA ST.BLASII” on one line, or in rare cases blank, or for very late second variant guns “WAFFENFABRIK WALTHER ZELLA-MEHLIS I”.
- 7 angled square-cut slide serrations.
- Safety lever checkered (though I have noted at least two guns in this range with circular grooves).
- Partially exposed trigger-bar on left side of receiver.
- Top of slide flattened to allow for rear sight. (Early guns, through at least serial number 77233, continue to have the rounded slide, and through at least 67614 have no rear sight.)
- Drift adjustable raised rear sight in a dovetail mount.
- Both hemispherical and triangular front sights.
- No disassembly release catch.
Note: In this period of World War I, Walther was unable to produce enough pistols on their own, so they licensed Immanuel Meffert of Suhl, a well known manufacturer of hunting and sporting guns, to make the pistols. Meffert was also unable to produce enough pistols, so they subcontracted with a number of other firms. Guns made under license by other firms were usually marked on the left side trigger guard bow. Many of these guns have the serial number stamped on the left side of the slide. Some of Meffert’s pistols are stamped on the left side of the slide “Imman. Meffert, Suhl”. Known markings are as follows:
Anchor - Heinrich Krieghoff
AS - August Schuler, Suhl
G - H.M. Gering, Heidersbach
GM - Gebruder Merkel, Suhl (intertwined GM in a shield)
GR - Gebruder Rempt, Suhl
M or IM - Immanuel Meffert, Suhl
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- S&H - Schmidt & Haberman
Third Variant (Post-war production, 1922?-1923?.)
- Approximate serial number range: 229,572 - 261,451.*
- Left side of slide marked (in capitals) “WALTHER’S-PATENT CAL. 7,65” on one line above the Walther banner. Some may be marked only “PATENT CAL.7,65”.
- Right side of slide marked (in capitals) “WAFFENFABRIK WALTHER ZELLA- MEHLIS” on one line.
- 16 fine triangular-cut slide serrations angled forward.
- Sefety lever checkered.
- Internal trigger bar.
- No disassembly release catch.
- Drift adjustable raised rear sight in a dovetail mount.
- Triangular front sight.
Fourth Variant (Limited production, 1924-1929, just prior to introduction of the PP.)
- Approximate serial number range: 252,258 - 266,000 and 480,000 to
500,000.* - The same as Third Variant, except:
- Left side of slide marked (in lower case italic) “Walther’s Patent Cal. 7,65” on one line above the Walther banner.
- Right side of slide marked (in lower case italic) “Waffenfabrik Walther Zella-Mehlis (Thür.)” on one line.
- High polish blue finish.
Note: There is definitely some crossover in serial number ranges between the 3rd and 4th variant.
Disassembly
- Remove the magazine.
- Draw the slide back to make sure the chamber is empty and to cock the hammer.
- Press in on the barrel bushing, turn it counterclockwise (as you face the front of the gun), and draw it carefully off the end of the barrel under pressure from the recoil spring. (For the earliest variant, with a hand on the front of the gun to catch the barrel bushing, press down on the latch on the right front side of the slide.)
- Remove the recoil spring and sleeve by twisting them off the barrel.
- Pull the slide all the way to the rear, lifting the front of the slide slightly to get it all the way back, then lift the rear of the slide up and off the rails and pull the slide forward and off the barrel.
Do not pull the trigger with the gun disassembled, as it could damage the lockwork. If the grips are removed from the early models with the external trigger bar, the trigger bar may fall out.
Walther Pp Serialization
Reassembly is the reverse of disassembly. There is a little trick to getting the slide back on the receiver, but it is best learned by experience. With the slide pulled all the way to the rear, press down on the rear of the slide and push toward the front.
Walther Pp Serial Number Date
Considering its age, the Walther Model 4 generally holds up very well. J.B. Wood reports that sometimes the hammer spring tension screw on the backstrap will come loose, causing misfires due to light primer strikes. This is easily remedied by tightening the screw. I had the front sight on mine fly off the gun during firing. I bought a bar magnet with a long handle at Home Depot and recovered the sight--it had landed in the dirt behind me.
* I would appreciate hearing from owners of Model 4 pistols. Send me photographs and/or descriptions of your guns along with serial number information. I will try to make the information given here more accurate.
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Walther Pp Serial Number Chart
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My dear vintage pistol collector friends,
I am posting this information for John Pearson (longtime Walther and vintage WW II era pistol collector). He no longer is a member of NAPCA and is not on the internet so I told him I would be happy to post this great information for him. In the course of the last number of months I have been visiting and corresponding with Mr. Pearson regarding Walther RSHA SS PP and PPK pistols. With his help (he is the author of the groundbreaking series of articles in “Auto Mag” regarding Walther RSHA SS PP and PPK pistols) I am trying to refine and define the various variations of these interesting pistols and their respective variation characteristics. In the course of those conversations and exchanges many items related to Walther PP and PPK Wartime (WWII era) production procedures and expediencies arose so John decided to produce an article for the vintage collecting community, especially those interested in wartime Walther PP and PPK production relative to serial number sequencing and production priorities as it relates to these pistols. It is an interesting and informative and somewhat complicated article (based on forty years of collecting data by Mr. Pearson) and requires careful consideration and pondering to really get what is happening. John has a mathematical background which is obviously a nice resource and skill when it comes to a subject of progressive divergent serial numbers in two different ranges of serial numbers (PP and PPK) and how Walther handled and did this as I said both from a production standpoint and priority standpoint. Anyway, I hope you enjoy this article and find it useful in understanding rather complicated production issues (at least to my simple mind this tends to be complicated to understand). John's sole purpose in producing this article is to further enlighten vintage pistol collectors and try to advance our understanding of some of these production issues and production changes that occurred during and before WWII. This article is or was produced only by Mr. Pearson (he is the sole author) and I DID NOT contribute or do anything for him in that regard--I am ONLY facilitating its introduction to a group of what I think are interested vintage pistol collectors. I believe, thanks to Mr. Pearson, the world of Walther pistol production and vintage Walther pistol collecting (PP and PPK) is perhaps a little less mysterious and perhaps we are a little more enlightened as a result. He has included his telephone number if you want to visit with him or have input or a difference of opinion he would be happy to hear from you.
Happy Holidays my collecting friends, Lloyd in Vegas
WALTHER MODEL PP & PPK PRODUCTION INFORMATION
My name is John Pearson and I have collected German semi-automatic pistols for almost 40 years, with one of my areas of special interest being Walther Model PP and PPK pistols. I have studied the numerous variations of these guns and also analyzed large amounts of serial number data on them. From that research I have discovered some interesting information about the production of these guns, which I am summarizing in this write-up. Hopefully this will clear up some mis-information about these very collectable Walther pistols.
The Walther Company introduced the Model PP (Police Pistol) in 1929, and serial numbers started at 750001. This would become the world’s most successful double action semi-automatic pistol, which at first was available only in caliber 7,65 m/m Browning (what we call the .32 automatic). After the Model PP was in production and showing success, Walther introduced a smaller variation called the PPK (Police Pistol Kriminal) that was presented in Germany as the Detective model. The PPK uses a shorter barrel, slide and magazine, had a one piece plastic wrap-around grip, and was designed for easier concealment. The PPK pistol was introduced into production in 1931/32, apparently starting with serial numbers around 757800. At first these pistols were also marked PP on the slide, but in the 7579xx serial block they began to be marked on the slide with the new designation of PPK. From this point in time both PP and PPK pistols were being assigned serial numbers intermixed in the same range up until almost number 999999, and it is generally not possible to tell by the serial number if a pistol is a PP or PPK Model.
At this point in the discussion let me make the following observation about serial number assignments in the Walther Factory. As orders came into the factory they were assigned serial numbers, starting with the next one available in sequential order. So for example if serial number 795123 was the last number assigned, and an order for 3 PPK pistols was received, they would be assigned serial numbers 795124, 125 and 126. But, Walther did not build the guns in a strict serial number sequence; they built guns in a priority sequence. Thus PPK 795124 might not be built until after a large batch of PP pistols were built in the 801xxx serial block. So when people ask, when a specific pistol was produced, it is frankly not possible to identify the manufacturing sequence or a production date for a specific pistol. We know, for example, that all serial numbers from 820xxx to 844xxx are PPK pistols with the RZM marked slide, but no one can say if a PPK in this range was produced before or after PP number 870xxx.
Sometime in 1938 Walther realized that they were going to have a problem with serial numbers, for their model 8 pistol (a smaller size 6,35 m/m semi-auto pocket pistol that had gone into production in around 1920) was now approaching serial number 750000 (the start of the PP pistol numbers). Keep in mind that Walther had never intentionally produced two guns with the same serial number, and now they needed to create a new serial number range for the Model 8. Their solution was to introduce an alpha suffix to be added to all of their different pistol model serial numbers. They chose the alpha suffix based upon the model of the pistol. Thus for the model 8 it became an A (acht or eight in German), for their Model 9 it became an N (neun for nine in German), and for their Olympia pistols they used the letter O. For the Model PP the suffix became a P, and for the Model PPK the suffix became a K. This change was made for all pistol production in the factory, but contrary to what many collectors believe, it had nothing to do with the fact that PP serial numbers had reached the 1 million range (1000000). To prove this I am listing a number of PP serial numbers which are just below the million range and that include the P suffix. You will note that some of these numbers are in the 99xxx serial block, and one does not include the P suffix, which demonstrates that this change was introduced with some confusion.
The serial numbers I have collected for these first P Suffix PP pistols are as follows:
997951P
997963P
998063P
998957
98977P
99013P
99025P
99210P
99239P
99428P
99453P
99705P
99930P
Note that 999530 is a PPK and does not have a K suffix at this point, proving that it had already been produced before the P and K suffix concept was implemented within Walther. Based upon these serial numbers, it is my assumption that PP number 998957 was also produced before the introduction of the suffix feature. Now notice that the first three numbers listed are in the nine hundred and ninety thousand range, and then the numbers with a P suffix revert to the range of ninety-nine thousand, because the high order 9 digit has been dropped from the serial number. This was done because of a recognized problem with PPK pistols which were already in the million serial block. I will explain this in the next paragraph, as we discuss the introduction of the K suffix on the PPKs.
From this serial number data it is apparent that the P suffix was introduced before the Model PP pistols had reached the million serial block, but at that same time the PPK pistols were already being numbered in the million serial number block. Remember that I said serial numbers were assigned well in advance of when the gun was actually produced, and when the assigned serial numbers for PP and PPK had reached into the million range no change had been made. For the PPK pistols, they had already been produced into the 10067xx serial range before this suffix change took place. It turns out that by this particular point in time apparently tens of thousands of orders had already been received at Walther for Model PP pistols, and numbers for these future PP pistols had been pre-assigned up to around 1072xxx. Thus when the PPK pistols were scheduled to start using the K suffix, the next pre-assigned number was around 10728xx. When a K was added to this number it became too large to fit on the frame, so what Walther did was to modify this number by dropping the high order 0 (zero) to become number 1728xx, and then the K was added. One such gun reported is number 172837K, which is apparently one of the very first PPK pistols with the K suffix added. PPK serials continued from that point with an added K Suffix, with the original assigned number being modified by shortening the number to the one hundred thousand range, rather than any more million range numbers. Of course newly assigned numbers from that point would no longer be in the million serial range.
For the Model PP pistols there had also been a large number of million range numbers already pre-assigned for their production. But since the change over to the P suffix took place just before the million serial was reached for PP pistols, Walther did not produce any PP pistols with a million range number. Like with the PPK numbers, for PP pistols they shortened the pre-assigned million range numbers to a number in the one hundred thousand range. For example, the originally assigned PP number of 1000249 became 100249P, etc. It is for this reason that many collectors believed that the suffix was introduced at the million serial number, but I have shown that it was not. I hope that all of this is understandable as you reread the above narrative. Also, keep in mind it was never the intention for Walther to produce two guns with the same serial number, so there will only be one pistol serial number with either a P or a K suffix. There might be a few mistakes made by the factory which resulted in applying duplicate numbers to guns, but most “duplicate” serial numbers are actually reporting errors by collectors or those who do the data base processing.
The next important thing to understand is that PP number 997951P was produced at essentially the same time as PPK number 172837K, thus there is a “spread” of some 75,000 serial numbers difference between the PP being produced and the PPK being produced at this point in time. Remember this point, for that means that PP number 172500P was made many months after PPK number 172837K. Over time this “spread” will even increase more. Also, once the War had started Walther received far more orders for PP pistols than PPK pistols. Based on my research, during the War the Walther Factory produced a percentage mix of roughly 60% PP pistols and 40% PPK pistols.
Up until this point we have been talking about commercial quality Model PP and PPK pistols. It was probably in 1941 that Walther made a number of changes to PP and PPK pistols. These changes were not all made at once, and included the following in no particular order: The long overhang tang frame was introduced, the chamber was left blue rather than bright, the safety lever and extractor were standard blue rather than the fire blue finish, and the full serial number now became standard on the right side of the slide. Up until this point in production, for most guns only the last three digits of the frame serial number of the pistol were scratched on the inside of the slide. These changes first appeared for PPK pistols in the 33x,xxxK serial range, and for the PP pistols in the 22x,xxxP serial range. If we assume that these changes took place for both the PP and PPK at the same time, this reveals that the “spread” I had previously discussed had now increased to 110,000 serial numbers.
The next big change was to eliminate the high polished finish on the guns and to instead use what we collectors have come to call a military or milled finish. The blue applied was probably the same, but since the metal parts were no longer given a high polish finish first, the milled finish blue looks quite different. For the PPK pistols this change was in effect by the 355xxxK range, and for the PP pistols this change was in effect by the 235xxxP range. It must be noted that there is a great deal of overlap with this changeover to the milled finish, and guns covering a range of thousands of numbers will be intermixed with both high polish and milled finish examples. This can again be explained by the fact that guns were being produced in priority sequence and thus serial numbered “out of order”.
Probably not too long after the introduction of the milled finish, certainly by 1943, production of the Model PPK began to noticeably slow down. For example, let us look at police marked guns, which changed over to the Eagle F (EF) marking late in the War. The first Police EF Model PP guns are found in the range of 354xxxP, and for the PPK they are first found in the range 423xxxK. Notice that this is only a “spread” of some 70,000 serial numbers, showing that PPK production by that point had slowed way down. We know that production of the PPK Model did not continue until the end of the War because there are no PPK pistols with the Walther “ac” code applied to the slide instead of the full legend markings. For the PP pistols we first see the “ac” slide marking by serial range 365xxxP. I do not know the exact date of the introduction of the “ac” slide marking, but it is assumed to have been by January 1945. The question has often been asked, when did PPK production essentially end, and I can not give any precise answer to that question. But it is very likely that PPK production ended in 1944, with the last few thousand PPK pistols produced using left over parts, such as aluminum frames which had been produced years earlier and then apparently put into storage. This is known because none of these late War alloy frames have the long overhang tang feature. We know that PP production had essentially ended by serial 397000P, which is assumed to have been when the War ended. The highest serial numbers for the PPK models are found in the range 431xxxK (the highest I have recorded is number 431097K), revealing a “spread” of only 34,000.
The question has also been asked whether Walther produced guns and serial numbered them, but did not proof them and apply the final finish until later. It is true that Walther did do some of their factory engraving on guns and then put them into storage without ever completing them, but I have seen no evidence that this “storage” concept was ever done for standard production guns. We do find guns out of sequence, as for example with Eagle N proofed guns appearing before some higher numbered Crown N guns. But I attribute this to their priority production concept, where serial numbers were assigned to guns and then the actual production of those guns was delayed until later on, after the Eagle N proof mark had begun being used (early in 1940 - some experts say January 1940 and others say April 1940). I do not believe that any of these “out of sequence” guns were completed and put on the shelf to later get the Eagle N proof. It is my belief that Walther produced a gun with the serial number that had originally been assigned to it, and this is how “out of sequence” guns exist. All of this information means that during a given day on the Walther assembly line there could be Walther PP pistols that were 10,000 serial numbers apart, and that at the same time there could be a PPK pistol being manufactured that is 110,000 numbers higher. I know that this sounds crazy, but that is what the data proves was actually happening.
I hope all of this will be informative and useful to Walther collectors. The information that I have presented in this article was formed over many years of research and is based upon lots of real world data. I do not claim to be perfect but I believe that the information that I have presented here is quite accurate. If you have any questions you can reach me not on the internet but by telephone at (818) 769-3509, West Coast Time.